Concerns over Deporting a Green Card Holder for His Views
A few thoughts re "Letting a Genie out of the bottle?"
I am open to being persuaded of the error of my ways on this matter! And in the end it will be for the courts, not the demonstrators who will ultimately decide. But of course what is legal may not always be wise. And the consequences may not be good. Most people have heard of Emma Goldman and her (and others) deportation from the United States a century ago. Look at in perspective; it’s not generally viewed as a great act by the United States.
I derive no pleasure in being even half-way on the same side (albeit for completely-different reasons) as many haters of Israel, who are rallying on behalf of Muhammad Khalil.
I’m fully cognizant of Khalil’s hatred for Israel and his views re Hamas
I’m even more fully-aware of the hatred towards Israel (and supporters) of Israel of many of the organizations and individuals rushing to his defense.
(And I’m completely aware that so many wouldn’t rally to defend an Israeli Green Card holder being threatened with deportation)
And I’m of course fully aware what’s been occurring on campuses these past 18 months - including very much at Columbia. Far stronger actions should have been taken by campus Administrations. And far more remains to be done.
But to state the obvious; not every individual or organization raising questions or concerns is a hater of Israel. (Or “Soft” on Hamas andAntisemitism)
And anyway that - besides this making of a “Martyr” out of this person is somewhat irrelevant my central concern which is “What might come next?
What impact upon American Society in a myriad of ways regarding people feeling free to speak out against policies supported or advanced by the US Government. And once this “genie is out of the bottle;” it can’t be put back. And some have of course suggested that cracking down on Campus Antisemites is not the sole motive of those enacting this deportation effort.
Just for a moment; put to one side, the things Muhammad Khalil said and advocated. And also put to one side, the true-haters of Israel coming to his defense.
And “problematic” speech or actions don’t have to be restricted to Anti-Semitic or Anti-Zionists activists. I’m sure there are always ways to apply laws to all Green Card holders who might object to certain things.
I have no compunctions about suspending or expelling students who violate various laws. I have no problem with bringing criminal charges against any of these individuals, with if convicted, prison time. The situation regarding student visas is different to this.
I absolutely don't believe that every Green Card holder has an automatic right to remain in the US regardless of what he does after receiving that permanent residency. But deportation should be in extremis. And I would have thought that the soon to be father of a native-born American citizen might have extra consideration.
Anyway I think it would be extremely-helpful to the discussion to know how many Green Card holders have been deported over the years (and for what “offenses.”) And what was the process. I see this from the US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) but not actual stats Rights and Responsibilities of a Green Card Holder (Permanent Resident)
As the saying goes “Hard cases make bad laws.”
I wrote about this a couple of days ago; so I’m not going to repeat myself. I reposted my earlier comments below or at link Concerns Over Deportations and Campus Funding Cancellations - Potential Future Implications - The Slippery Slope
Concerns Over Deportations and Campus Funding Cancellations - Potential Future Implications
"The slippery slope..."
I’m scarcely a civil liberties activist or a Constitutional lawyer. (I’m not any kind of lawyer!) And I’m certainly not a strong supporter of much of the work of the ACLU (although I did have a grudging admiration - mixed with bewilderment and totally opposition - for the ACLU’s late 1970s defending Nazis marching through the town of Skokie, Illinois. (I Think the ACLU may have “moved on” from such “purist” views!)
I totally deplore Mahmoud Khalil’s Columbia actions not to mention all those other anti-Israel - and often antisemitic - “happenings” on various campuses across America. Many of which have escalated from simply quietly protesting to engaging in intimidation and violence and antisemitism. I think it’s way past time since campuses cracked down and followed their own rules.
I have no problem with Mahmour Khalil and others being expelled from colleges and banned from campuses if they’ve violated college regulations. If authorities believed they’ve “seriously” broken laws; that they be criminally charged.
However I think there’s a serious difference and a major ”Escalation” between expelling people from campus - and deporting them. That’s true even for people just on a tourist or student visa - an action which should be taken only after something egregious; not just a technically. (Obviously their visa requires them to be a student; so that is that.)
But in my view; it’s even more true for people who are permanent residents of the United States - Green Card holders. Do I believer that in extremis; that action should be taken? Possibly. But only on really, really solid grounds for really-serious “National Security” or high-criminal offenses. And use of such authority should be held in abeyance.
I also think that certain actions which taken in isolation may sound very appealing. But they set a terrible precedent. (Or if perhaps not a precedent; then at least making them more of a norm. Presumably such deportations have occurred in the past. In a few isolated cases (such as former-Nazis who lied on their immigration forms; they even had their full US Citizenship revoked.
This is not a defense of critics of Israel - as some reading this might perhaps charge. For what it’s worth: I’m a fully-committed Zionist and totally pro-Israel (having spent almost 40 years working for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) before my departure last Fall.) And as I said the actions on Campus these past 18 months (and even before) and the failures of Campus Administrators to deal it with it have been beyond the pale.
But once you do start making this a norm or a sword of Damocles to hang over all Permanent residents; then this “threat” can extend anywhere, far beyond than critics of Israel. It could be used to silence any criticism of any policy to intimidate people from speaking out on anything - including US Government policies.
I have similar views about the recently-announced Government “Defunding” of Columbia. Not because I support Columbia’s actions or the anti-Israel activists. But because this has implications far beyond for all in America. To silence views and speech.
There’s an oft-cited aphorism about Jews being the “Canary in the coalmine.” That’s not perhaps quite apt here. But perhaps for at least some; these actions being taken against Columbia and Khalil might be viewed as stalking horse. Apply them here (no matter how valid such actions might be). And if they’re permitted; it’s becomes easier to use in far broader and more ideological instances.
In the 1919-1920: Many hundreds of “Alien” American “radicals” including famously, Emma Goldman were deported from the United States for their views. See “The Palmer Raids.” In the early 1950s, Charlie Chaplain was famously denied reentry to the United States despite having lived in the United States for several decades because of his views.
Even as a non “Free Speech” absolutist; the proposed actions raise serious concerns and implications for us all. I’m not naive. I’m aware there are some deeply-”problematic” people in this country. Some are on temporary visas. Some on permanent visas (Green cards.) And of course many are US citizens - either naturalized or native born!
But the expression “Throwing out the baby with the bathwater” seems to be one that should be heeded.
Slippery slopes aside for a moment. If you’re a strong advocate of free speech, as I consider myself— then there is, conceivably, speech that spoken in a specific time/place, that WOULD warrant this kind of action. Deportation.
What does naturalization mean, and is this motherfucker “naturalizing” to be an American? Or is he preying on our deeply held free speech beliefs to literally (yes, literally)promote terrorism?
What happens next, IS NOT YET WRITTEN. Remind me, if you would, a good example of the slippery slope argument. A time, when we rightly enforced a law, and then slid down said slope. The Red Scare(s), in the late stages, are (to me) examples of this. That’s a solid one. Lives were needlessly ruined, on very shaky grounds. That said, was there really nothing RED? Really NOTHING to be scared of at the time? And did we learn nothing, about how to judiciously draw those lines?
Could he say ANYTHING, and not deserve deportation?
If that all/\ sounds combative/contentious, it is in a most respectful way; and I am grateful to be having this conversation with you. It will refine my thinking on the matter. Thank you for engaging in it with me.
We don’t let communists in the country, we deport Nazi war criminals and actually other war criminals, we have rules and obligations that come with wanting to live in this country if you are not native born. This man wasn’t arrested because he stood on a street corner yelling to anyone who could hear him about his political views. He promoted violence which does lessen your free speech right , trespassed, denied the civil rights of Jewish students, attacked people and somehow doesn’t seem to have a job yet his wife is 8 months pregnant. Who is funding him? Where is his money coming from?